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Early Modern: Locke on Personal Identity part 2

(intro music) Okay, this is part two of our discussion of personal identity over time, and I'm still Michael Della Rocca, identical to the person who gave the part one of this lecture.

So let's continue now. We started by discussing the general problem of personal identity over time and how it's related to some more general metaphysical problems.

Now I want to begin to look at particular solutions, or attempted solutions, to this problem of personal identity over time.

Traditionally, two answers to this problem have been very popular.

One might think that the sameness of persons over time consists in what might be called "the sameness of soul over time."

On this view, and perhaps this view is attributable to the philosopher Descartes, the soul is a non-physical thinking thing, or thinking substance, and the soul is distinct from the body, though it is, perhaps, associated with the body in important ways.

On this quasi-Cartesian view of personal identity, for an earlier person A to be identical to a later person B, it is both necessary and sufficient for the earlier person A and for the later person B to have the same soul.

On this view, sameness of body is not relevant to personal identity.

The only thing that's relevant to personal identity on this view, this Cartesian view, is the sameness of soul, the sameness of thinking substance.

On an alternative answer to this problem, an answer often associated with materialists, sameness of person consists in sameness of body, sameness of the human body.

For A to be identical to B, it is both necessary and sufficient that A and B have the same body.

On this view, sameness of soul, if indeed we have a soul, is irrelevant to personal identity.

Now these are deep and competing accounts of personal identity.

On the first view, we are fundamentally souls, or thinking substances.

On the second view, we are fundamentally our bodies, our human body.

Now, it's a deep insight of Locke to envisage a completely different kind of account of personal identity.

His account cuts across each of the two previous accounts in important ways.

On Locke's account, sameness of person consists not in sameness of soul nor in sameness of body, but in sameness of what he calls "consciousness."

This is the philosophical progress that Locke has given us: to give a completely new account of personal identity in terms of sameness of consciousness.

But what exactly does he mean by "sameness of consciousness?"

This is a complicated matter, and to answer this question, I want to turn to a completely different kind of case, involving not persons, but plants.

This will provide a helpful analogy with Locke's account of persons, if we consider Locke's account of what might be called "plant identity over time."

We may never have thought about plant identity over time, but it is important, because it can help us to see the nature of Locke's account of personal identity over time.

So let's turn to Locke's account of plant identity, or of organic creatures in general.

To answer the question of plant identity over time, let's draw a distinction between the plant itself and the molecules or atoms that make up the plant at any one time.

Following Locke himself, let's call the collection of atoms that makes up a plant a "mass of matter."

Such a collection of atoms is, for Locke, a physical or corporeal substance.

Now, the mass of matter that makes up a particular plant - let's say a rhododendron - let's call her "Rhoda" - okay, Rhoda the rhododendron - now, the mass of matter that makes up a particular plant at a certain time, a time T1 let's say, that mass of matter is different from the mass of matter that makes up Rhoda, that same rhododendron, at T2.

That's the beautiful thing about organic creatures: they gain and lose matter all the time.

That's just the kind of thing that they do.

Now, it's natural to think that Rhoda, the plant itself, persists through this change in masses of matter.

It's gaining and exchanging matter with the environment all the time.

So there's a change in physical substance.

So the mass of matter that constitutes Rhoda at T1 is different from, completely non-identical to, the mass of matter that constitutes Rhoda at T2.

And it may well be the case that through some kind of great coincidence, Rhoda loses all of the bits of matter that make Rhoda up at time T1.

And so the mass of matter, let's call this mass of matter "one," that constitutes Rhoda at T1, does not constitute Rhoda at time T2.

In fact, and this is the coincidence, it could turn out that the mass of matter that constituted Rhoda at time T1 comes to constitute a completely different plant, let's call it "Phyllis," at T2.

And at time T2, there's a mass of matter "two," that constitutes Rhoda.

So Rhoda's now constituted by mass of matter two, and at time T2, a different plant, Phyllis, is constituted by mass of matter one, the mass of matter that originally constituted Rhoda.

We can see from this that we have different masses of matter constituting the same plant at different times, and we have the same mass of matter constituting different plants at different times.

Thus, the sameness of mass of matter is neither necessary nor sufficient for sameness of plant.

What, then, is necessary and sufficient for the sameness of plant?

Locke's answer is clear: for a plant at T1 to be identical to a plant at T2, the earlier plant and the later plant must have the same, or roughly the same, organization, the same way in which matter is structured, and there must be a certain continuity between the organization of the plant at T1, at the earlier time, and the organization of the plant at T2.

As Locke indicates, the earlier plant and the later plant must partake of the same life, which is communicated in a continuous fashion to different particles of matter at different times.

For a plant to exist at a time is for matter to have a certain organization at that time.

And for a plant to persist from one time to another is for there to be a continuously maintained organization of matter, despite the fact that this organization is realized in different molecules, or different bits of matter, at different times.

I have touched on this topic of plants not just because I love to talk about plants, but also because the account of the persistence of plants is analogous to Locke's revolutionary account of the persistence of persons.

So let's return to persons. For Locke, just as what it is for a plant to exist at a time is for matter to be organized in a certain way, for a person to exist at a certain time is for there to be a thinking, intelligent being, that is, reason and reflection.

And more generally, for there to be a person at a give time is for there to be something that has consciousness at a given time.

Plant identity requires that there be a substance with a certain organization of matter.

Personal identity requires that there be some kind of substance with a certain consciousness and the ability to reflect on itself.

And just as it is necessary for plant identity over time that this organization be maintained, even if the physical substances that exhibit this organization change, so, too, it is necessary and sufficient for personal identity over time that this consciousness be maintained even if the substance that exhibits this consciousness changes.

So personal identity consists in continuity of consciousness, just as plant identity consists in continuity of organization of matter.

For Locke, the substance that exhibits the consciousness at a time is probably a soul or a purely mental, immaterial substance.

But Locke does think that it's conceivable that the substance that exhibits consciousness be material, or a body.

He's agnostic on that point, actually.

But the key point for the account of personal identity is that for Locke, the sameness of soul is neither necessary nor sufficient for the sameness of person.

Similarly for Locke, the sameness of body is neither necessary nor sufficient for the sameness of person.

Instead, for Locke, sameness of consciousness is both necessary and sufficient for the sameness of person.

This is Locke's radically new answer to the question of personal identity.

Persons are not fundamentally souls and they're not fundamentally bodies.

Rather, persons are, in a way, fundamentally their consciousnesses.

To illustrate this point, we need to see what Locke means by sameness of consciousness.

Roughly, Locke's account of sameness of consciousness is this: a later person, B, exhibits the same consciousness as an earlier person, A, if and only if the later person can remember the earlier person's thoughts and actions.

More slowly, there are two claims here that are relevant.

The first claim is this (this is the claim of sufficiency): if B, the later person, can remember A's thoughts and actions, then A is the same person as B.

That's the claim of sufficiency. Now here's the claim of necessity: if A is identical to B, then B can remember A's thoughts and actions.

In other words, if B doesn't remember A's thoughts and actions, then A is not identical to B.

So on this view, sameness of consciousness consists in the ability to have memory connections between the later person, B, and the earlier person, A.

Locke exhibits this kind of view with a number of examples.

Let me give one of my own.

If the consciousness of Barack Obama should start informing my body or my soul, such that in my body or soul there are somehow now the memories of all the things that Obama has done, if this body starts talking like Barack Obama, starts getting an incredible urge to veto legislation, then that would be a case in which the conscious of Barack Obama has come to inform this body or this soul, my body or my soul.

If that's the case, that would mean, according to Locke, that the person Obama now inhabits my body.

At the same time, let's say that, fortunately or unfortunately for Obama's body, my consciousness begins to inform Barack Obama's body or soul, such that in Obama's body or soul, somehow, are the memories of my life, of all the things that I have done.

My consciousness, or memories, have migrated, it seems, from my body to Obama's body or soul.

So that's a case in which Obama is, in some sense - the person Obama is in some sense now in my body, and the person, Michael Della Rocca, that person, MDR, is now in Obama's body.

We've switched bodies in a way.

On Locke's account, personal identity goes where the consciousness or memory goes, regardless of what soul or body is in question.

That's what makes possible this person switching bodies, or person switching souls.

Persons go where their consciousness goes.

In the same way, as you saw with the plants, the plants Rhoda and Phyllis can, as it were, switch bodies or masses of matter.

There can be body switching there.

Similarly, just as plant identity goes with sameness of organization and not sameness of material substance, so, too, personal identity goes with sameness of consciousness and not sameness of substance.

This account, whereby sameness of consciousness or memory is both necessary and sufficient for sameness of persons, is actually quite plausible.

I'm sure you've seen movies where there have been body switching, where persons have switched bodies.

Freaky Friday was an example of such a movie.

There's a kind of plausibility there.

If some body begins exhibiting my memories and my thoughts and my intentions, et cetera, that's where I am.

I go where my consciousness goes.

That's Locke's account of personal identity in terms of consciousness.

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(intro music) Okay, this is part two of our discussion of personal identity over time, and I'm still Michael Della Rocca, identical to the person who gave the part one of this lecture.발음듣기

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So let's continue now. We started by discussing the general problem of personal identity over time and how it's related to some more general metaphysical problems.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Now I want to begin to look at particular solutions, or attempted solutions, to this problem of personal identity over time.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Traditionally, two answers to this problem have been very popular.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

One might think that the sameness of persons over time consists in what might be called "the sameness of soul over time."발음듣기

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On this view, sameness of body is not relevant to personal identity.발음듣기

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The only thing that's relevant to personal identity on this view, this Cartesian view, is the sameness of soul, the sameness of thinking substance.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

On an alternative answer to this problem, an answer often associated with materialists, sameness of person consists in sameness of body, sameness of the human body.발음듣기

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For A to be identical to B, it is both necessary and sufficient that A and B have the same body.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

On this view, sameness of soul, if indeed we have a soul, is irrelevant to personal identity.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Now these are deep and competing accounts of personal identity.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

On the first view, we are fundamentally souls, or thinking substances.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

On the second view, we are fundamentally our bodies, our human body.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Now, it's a deep insight of Locke to envisage a completely different kind of account of personal identity.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

His account cuts across each of the two previous accounts in important ways.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

On Locke's account, sameness of person consists not in sameness of soul nor in sameness of body, but in sameness of what he calls "consciousness."발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

This is the philosophical progress that Locke has given us: to give a completely new account of personal identity in terms of sameness of consciousness.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

But what exactly does he mean by "sameness of consciousness?"발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

This is a complicated matter, and to answer this question, I want to turn to a completely different kind of case, involving not persons, but plants.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

This will provide a helpful analogy with Locke's account of persons, if we consider Locke's account of what might be called "plant identity over time."발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

We may never have thought about plant identity over time, but it is important, because it can help us to see the nature of Locke's account of personal identity over time.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

So let's turn to Locke's account of plant identity, or of organic creatures in general.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

To answer the question of plant identity over time, let's draw a distinction between the plant itself and the molecules or atoms that make up the plant at any one time.발음듣기

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Following Locke himself, let's call the collection of atoms that makes up a plant a "mass of matter."발음듣기

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Such a collection of atoms is, for Locke, a physical or corporeal substance.발음듣기

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That's the beautiful thing about organic creatures: they gain and lose matter all the time.발음듣기

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That's just the kind of thing that they do.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Now, it's natural to think that Rhoda, the plant itself, persists through this change in masses of matter.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

It's gaining and exchanging matter with the environment all the time.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

So there's a change in physical substance.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

So the mass of matter that constitutes Rhoda at T1 is different from, completely non-identical to, the mass of matter that constitutes Rhoda at T2.발음듣기

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And it may well be the case that through some kind of great coincidence, Rhoda loses all of the bits of matter that make Rhoda up at time T1.발음듣기

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And so the mass of matter, let's call this mass of matter "one," that constitutes Rhoda at T1, does not constitute Rhoda at time T2.발음듣기

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In fact, and this is the coincidence, it could turn out that the mass of matter that constituted Rhoda at time T1 comes to constitute a completely different plant, let's call it "Phyllis," at T2.발음듣기

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And at time T2, there's a mass of matter "two," that constitutes Rhoda.발음듣기

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So Rhoda's now constituted by mass of matter two, and at time T2, a different plant, Phyllis, is constituted by mass of matter one, the mass of matter that originally constituted Rhoda.발음듣기

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We can see from this that we have different masses of matter constituting the same plant at different times, and we have the same mass of matter constituting different plants at different times.발음듣기

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Thus, the sameness of mass of matter is neither necessary nor sufficient for sameness of plant.발음듣기

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What, then, is necessary and sufficient for the sameness of plant?발음듣기

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As Locke indicates, the earlier plant and the later plant must partake of the same life, which is communicated in a continuous fashion to different particles of matter at different times.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

For a plant to exist at a time is for matter to have a certain organization at that time.발음듣기

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And more generally, for there to be a person at a give time is for there to be something that has consciousness at a given time.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Plant identity requires that there be a substance with a certain organization of matter.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Personal identity requires that there be some kind of substance with a certain consciousness and the ability to reflect on itself.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

So personal identity consists in continuity of consciousness, just as plant identity consists in continuity of organization of matter.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

For Locke, the substance that exhibits the consciousness at a time is probably a soul or a purely mental, immaterial substance.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

But Locke does think that it's conceivable that the substance that exhibits consciousness be material, or a body.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

He's agnostic on that point, actually.발음듣기

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But the key point for the account of personal identity is that for Locke, the sameness of soul is neither necessary nor sufficient for the sameness of person.발음듣기

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Similarly for Locke, the sameness of body is neither necessary nor sufficient for the sameness of person.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Instead, for Locke, sameness of consciousness is both necessary and sufficient for the sameness of person.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

This is Locke's radically new answer to the question of personal identity.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Persons are not fundamentally souls and they're not fundamentally bodies.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Rather, persons are, in a way, fundamentally their consciousnesses.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

To illustrate this point, we need to see what Locke means by sameness of consciousness.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

More slowly, there are two claims here that are relevant.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

The first claim is this (this is the claim of sufficiency): if B, the later person, can remember A's thoughts and actions, then A is the same person as B.발음듣기

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That's the claim of sufficiency. Now here's the claim of necessity: if A is identical to B, then B can remember A's thoughts and actions.발음듣기

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In other words, if B doesn't remember A's thoughts and actions, then A is not identical to B.발음듣기

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So on this view, sameness of consciousness consists in the ability to have memory connections between the later person, B, and the earlier person, A.발음듣기

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Locke exhibits this kind of view with a number of examples.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Let me give one of my own.발음듣기

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If that's the case, that would mean, according to Locke, that the person Obama now inhabits my body.발음듣기

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My consciousness, or memories, have migrated, it seems, from my body to Obama's body or soul.발음듣기

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So that's a case in which Obama is, in some sense - the person Obama is in some sense now in my body, and the person, Michael Della Rocca, that person, MDR, is now in Obama's body.발음듣기

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We've switched bodies in a way.발음듣기

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On Locke's account, personal identity goes where the consciousness or memory goes, regardless of what soul or body is in question.발음듣기

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That's what makes possible this person switching bodies, or person switching souls.발음듣기

다른 번역문 등록

Persons go where their consciousness goes.발음듣기

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In the same way, as you saw with the plants, the plants Rhoda and Phyllis can, as it were, switch bodies or masses of matter.발음듣기

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There can be body switching there.발음듣기

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This account, whereby sameness of consciousness or memory is both necessary and sufficient for sameness of persons, is actually quite plausible.발음듣기