French Horn: Interview and demonstration with principal John Cerminaro

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French Horn: Interview and demonstration with principal John Cerminaro발음듣기

The Firebird - Suite by Igor Stravinsky John: To tell you a little bit about the French horn is interesting because the horn is as old as they come.발음듣기

It literally was in its first rendition a horn.발음듣기

The purpose was not so much music, as to get the attention of somebody else who maybe had a horn and he was going to broadcast too.발음듣기

(quavering call) Later you got hunting horns, so if you caught the fox you might want to let them know you got them, so can play something very fetching.발음듣기

(rapidly modulating trumpeting) Meanwhile the postman plays this to let you know the mail has come.발음듣기

(bright bugle call) The horn I picked up here is typical orchestral instrument.발음듣기

This is a normal French horn that you'd find in the orchestras.발음듣기

It's still the same idea. Imagine all this tubing is not there still, we're still in the old days.발음듣기

You could play a scale, an actual scale on the horn.발음듣기

If you notice with your hand, you get a certain kind sound, pitches.발음듣기

Look. (ascending musical scale) But then the plumbing came.발음듣기

It was around the same time that people liked that kind of sound that the horn was getting.발음듣기

I've got a more complex instrument here.발음듣기

This instrument I played for many years in orchestras.발음듣기

It's a triple horn. You can see it's quite complicated and beautiful.발음듣기

What people liked was the sound you can get on a horn, and the beauty of playing one.발음듣기

(flowing trill) It was that dark, haunting tone that made the horn seem likable for the orchestra.발음듣기

Symphony No. 4 in F minor, Op. 36 by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky.발음듣기

The horn that I play most of the time that you've been seeing ...발음듣기

This is much lighter because this is for solos.발음듣기

It's a solo instrument and it's as light as they come, but it's still a French horn.발음듣기

We can't play as high as a trumpet or as loud as a trombone or as fast as a flute.발음듣기

It's always been that middle register, beautiful sound that people like about the horn.발음듣기

The low register, okay, the high register, yes, but what they fondly call the cash register, the middle register of the horn is still what people like to listen to.발음듣기

Something beautiful, something that is not possible in any other instrument.발음듣기

Symphony No. 9 in E minor, Op. 95 From the New World" by Antonin Dvorak.발음듣기

The French horn has become known as the tightrope walker in the orchestra.발음듣기

Everybody who goes to concerts worries a little bit about the horn.발음듣기

With the violin, when a violinist makes a mistake it's a little (whistle), this slight little thing that nobody notices, but a French horn, a blooper on the horn is like somebody dropping the dinner tray, you can really spoil a concert.발음듣기

As much as we don't like to think about it, playing the horn as well as possible and finding ways to play it beautifully yet also reliably is what we seek in mouthpieces and bells, bodies of the horn, lead pipe.발음듣기

All these things play a part in making the horn a little bit more reliable.발음듣기

You probably have noticed the mouthpiece I have chosen is heavy, it's special.발음듣기

That heaviness is also equaled here on the bell, as you can see.발음듣기

I have, along the edge here, a little extra metal.발음듣기

That garland is also based on the principle of weight distribution and accuracy for the horn.발음듣기

It is true that you lose some of the highs in the sound, very minuscule, but you do gain some in solidity of playing.발음듣기

(gentle flowing music) What am I talking about?발음듣기

Trying to play the horn in a, (laughs) not a flawless way but in a reliable way.발음듣기

That's what we're going for with this sort of equipment.발음듣기

Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 발음듣기

67 by Ludwig van Beethoven. Every horn player goes through a pursuit of the will o' wisp, the mouthpiece that would be perfect."발음듣기

Where is it? I know I can find it. I know I can find the mouthpiece that's going to be the perfect one."발음듣기

This is a very minuscule representation of some of the mouthpieces I've gone through.발음듣기

Some of them are kind of famous.발음듣기

For example, this was my teacher's mouthpiece, James Chambers.발음듣기

I also played his horn for quite a long time.발음듣기

It has some interesting secrets. This was his teacher's mouthpiece, Anton Horner.발음듣기

It's fascinating for many reasons. They are orchestral in nature, they're made for a certain kind of sound and articulation.발음듣기

This mouthpiece was put together and is very, very close to the one Dennis Blane played.발음듣기

Dennis Blane is the great spiritual father of all horn players, so I was very anxious to play a mouthpiece like his.발음듣기

But it wasn't for me, we were very different people.발음듣기

I began to go a little bit wild with depth and weight.발음듣기

Here in Seattle I found a maker, just over the line in Portland, Oregon called Marcinkiewicz.발음듣기

He made a mouthpiece for me that had the right weight and the right weight distribution.발음듣기

You can see I have all kinds of experimental models here.발음듣기

Eventually I found the one that I wanted and it was just right.발음듣기

It may seem like such a small matter, but with horn playing everything matters.발음듣기

The mouthpiece, the rim! These mouthpieces have rims that screw on and off, you keep trying to find the perfect rim.발음듣기

But in the end you arrive at the same conclusion as all my teachers did, that you're opposing yourself, you're going against yourself in a way.발음듣기

You're taking up a mouthpiece that helps you with something you don't do that well and not worrying too much that you're going to lose a little off of one area or another, because you have an abundance there.발음듣기

Symphony No. 2 by Gustav Mahler Both of my parents were musicians.발음듣기

My father was a clarinet player, my mother was a trumpet player, but they were both band directors.발음듣기

In those days band directors went where the jobs were, and they landed in small towns in Texas.발음듣기

When I was about 10 years old my father brought home two instruments: He brought home a French horn, and he brought home an oboe.발음듣기

My sister liked the oboe and I immediately liked the horn, so I started playing the horn.발음듣기

I played in school bands from about 10 years old all the way to 18.발음듣기

There weren't orchestras, until I got to Dallas and there were a few orchestras there, but in Navasota, Texas, in Orange, Texas it was bands.발음듣기

I loved it, it was oom-pah music for the French horn.발음듣기

Nothing too hard but it was thrilling for me.발음듣기

Playing in a band and going- (staccato march) That sort of thing, nothing big!발음듣기

One night at a football game when my father was conducting the band - this was the high school band.발음듣기

I was just sitting up in the bleachers and I saw dad conducting.발음듣기

He looked a little bit like Toscanini.발음듣기

He was conducting with great fervor.발음듣기

The band was playing something wonderful, Sousa, something very arousing.발음듣기

I got all choked up, I loved it.발음듣기

I felt right then and there, I didn't know how, but I wanted to be a musician.발음듣기

Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, Op. 97 Rhenish" by Robert Schumann.발음듣기

In my first year of high school, as a sophomore in high school there was a traveling jury from Juilliard, I don't know if they do that anymore, but the traveling jury came to Dallas.발음듣기

Jean Morel was there, and other people who were deciding who might get scholarships to go to Juilliard.발음듣기

My teacher, Alfred Resh, a great old-time horn player, and my parents, they pushed me out on the stage and said, "Play for them!"발음듣기

I played a little Mozart, I read a little music, and they gave me a full scholarship to Juilliard in my sophomore year of high school.발음듣기

I didn't have anything to worry about, I thought, so I just breezed my way through high school, but I practiced my horn all day long, every day.발음듣기

My plan was to go to Juilliard, and I did.발음듣기

My parents put me on the plane and off I went to New York, by myself, and it was a huge change.발음듣기

Symphony No. 5 by Dmitryi Shostakovich.발음듣기

Juilliard was bustling with people that all knew what they were doing and I picked it up as fast as I could, how to do this and how to do that, how to be good.발음듣기

While I was still in Juilliard I was offered principle horn in the Dallas Symphony, principle horn in the American Symphony and even principle horn in one of the west coast, I think Seiji was asking me, I think it was San Francisco.발음듣기

The point is I was in school and I asked my teacher, my mentor, Arnold Fish, he was a great friend.발음듣기

I asked him, "What should I do?발음듣기

Should I take one of these jobs?발음듣기

In those days he said, "John, you should stay in school, "get your education.발음듣기

Something better will come along." Nowadays nobody would pass on those jobs.발음듣기

First horn on any of those orchestras would be considered, wonderful.발음듣기

But I said, "No and thank you very much."발음듣기

In my last year in school it was the New York Philharmonic, The New York Philharmonic, Leonard Bernstein, they wanted me.발음듣기

I asked Mr. Fish again, "Should I stay in school or go?"발음듣기

He said, "No, you should go this time.발음듣기

This time you should go. I left school just a little early and went right into the New York Philharmonic as assistant principle horn.발음듣기

It was wonderful because Leonard Bernstein had just stepped down and he'd become conductor laureate.발음듣기

We still saw as much of him as ever only he wasn't the music director.발음듣기

Pierre Boulez had come in as music director, and between the two of them, briefly, Dr. Szell, George Szell.발음듣기

The New York Philharmonic was the beginning.발음듣기

I was playing assistant principle horn, which was a great spot.발음듣기

I wouldn't have been ready to just go right into first horn playing.발음듣기

Then I was promoted up through the ranks as the years went on by.발음듣기

I went next to associate principle horn, then to principle horn, which was a great thrill for me to be in the chair that once belonged to my teacher.발음듣기

After 10 years with the New York Philharmonic I'd seen already, I'd been with Bernstein, Boulez and Szell as music directors and hundreds of other great conductors.발음듣기

But the next was coming was Zubin Mehta.발음듣기

I played, in fact, almost a whole year with Zubin, but in the mean time was being wooed away by the Los Angeles Philharmonic.발음듣기

Carlo Maria Giulini, Giulini had come and conducted the Philharmonic, I played a lot of great things with him.발음듣기

A lot of Verdi, a lot of Bruckner, a lot of Mahler.발음듣기

He loved me, and I didn't know how many years it would be with Zubin in the Philharmonic but I knew they were in store for some big changes, and I knew that going with Giulini would be-- I just had that feeling this is something I should do.발음듣기

Symphony No. 9 in E minor, Op. 95 "From the New World" by Antonin Dvorak"발음듣기

I had secretly harbored the wish to be a soloist.발음듣기

Even while I was in Los Angeles I had began to make a bunch of solo CDs.발음듣기

I got a manager and pointed the car back towards New York.발음듣기

I taught and Juilliard and my manager booked concertos for me here and there, and I liked it.발음듣기

The solo life was sort of feast or famine.발음듣기

Most soloists will tell you that truth.발음듣기

You have great seasons where you have lots of stuff and you're making a lot of money, and then you have lesser seasons.발음듣기

In the meantime I had gotten married.발음듣기

I was enjoying being a soloist but my manager thought I needed a category.발음듣기

One of the categories he had there was guest principle horn.발음듣기

I would play guest principle horn wherever they were trying to get a principle player for their orchestra, where they were advertising and trying to get somebody.발음듣기

I played guest principle for Milwaukee, for Dallas, for Houston.발음듣기

All those places they kept saying, "Why don't you stay?"발음듣기

No, not going to stay. Done it all.발음듣기

No reason. Been there, done that, didn't want to stay.발음듣기

I was in Japan, I was in Nagano when I got a call from Jerry, could I come and open the season, their first horn player was ill.발음듣기

So I did. I flew down, opened the season.발음듣기

He kept asking me, "Can you stay "a little longer? A little bit longer."발음듣기

Then they were going to build a new concert hall, how about staying for that?발음듣기

The answer probably would have been the same as for the others.발음듣기

I'd think, "Maybe, no, I want to go back to my solo life."발음듣기

But my wife and I got pregnant, big surprise, and our son Johnny was born.발음듣기

Then our daughter Rose was born.발음듣기

That's a huge incentive to stay and have a home.발음듣기

I did not know I was going to have this life, to have a nice home, to have kids, have a wife.발음듣기

A standard, wonderful B flat life, but there it was, and Jerry cooked it all up, I don't know how!발음듣기

I stayed here with him longer than I stayed anywhere.발음듣기

(daunting music) I played for Leopold Stokowski in his penthouse suite.발음듣기

I brought Weber's concertino, which is this wildly unplayable piece.발음듣기

I was playing the cadenza for him and all over the place.발음듣기

I was way, way overqualified for whatever it was I was playing for.발음듣기

He said to me, "You should look at the Mozart concertos, "you'll love them more.발음듣기

There's more music there." I was told virtually the same thing by Dr. Szell, and by Leonard Bernstein, and by Pierre Boulez and by Gerard Schwartz and by Giulini.발음듣기

They all said draw close to the music, and that's what I've done with my life.발음듣기

I've loved the music and drawn closer to it.발음듣기

It is true that it's harder when you decide to be a professional musician, when it says professional musician on your passport, when they pay you for it, but if you can stand it it's a great life.발음듣기

It is true that I have, I say something to you now that I tell all my students.발음듣기

You can be overwhelmed by the thing.발음듣기

It can pull you towards it at such a rate and with such power that you can't find a way to give yourself peace.발음듣기

Many people ask me why did I pick up an easel, why did I start painting again.발음듣기

I painted to help hold myself back from just complete annihilation by the instrument.발음듣기

My art has been the thing.발음듣기

Having a hobby of some one kind, playing chess it was as one point for me, now it's painting.발음듣기

I recommend anybody who wants to play this instrument professionally, be sure that you also take up a hobby that gives you a chance to have some real rest and some peace from it too, because it can be quite overwhelming at times.발음듣기

The Firebird - Suite by Igor Stravinsky.발음듣기

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