Khnopff, Jeanne Kéfer, 1885

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Khnopff, Jeanne Kéfer, 1885

(piano playing) Beth: We're at the unbelievably beautiful Getty Center looking at a portrait by Fernand Khnopff of Jeanne KĂŠfer, she's a little girl.

Khnopff painted this in 1885.

Steven: But he was Belgian.

Beth: He was Belgian, he was considered a member of the Symbolist Movement so he's interested as an artist in depicting subjective, dreamy, personal states of mind.

Steven: And this is very personal, very much about a state of mind but I'm not sure that I would call it dreamy in the tradition of symbolist manner.

It's sort of straight forward at least in its representation but there's also a very subtle kind of intensity to it which is also a little transcendent in the symbolist sense.

What I mean by that is we have this very sort of ordered structured environment.

The architecture and the near right angles which are all a little off kilter, which I think is interesting because it suggests that we're coming at this from a very human perspective but then we have a little girl.

She's so small in that space.

Beth: Yeah and I think that the geometry that she's surrounded by of rectangles and squares and really, that's pretty much it.

Rectangles and squares.

There's one oval, the keyhole up there, that's the shape of her face.

But yeah I think it suggests a kind of structure and order and the mind of a little girl who tries to make sense of the big world with its structures.

Steven: I think that's true but then there's this interesting,

Beth: To her.

Steven: To her which is-

Steven: Where she is looking directly at us and holding our gaze.

Beth: Yeah and there's a sense of power to her childish view.

Steven: There really is.

Beth: Of maybe a kind of sense that she understands things about the world that maybe grown ups have forgotten somehow or lost sight of.

Steven: So that has a kind of symbolist quality-

Beth: Something kind of magical and imaginative and beautiful.

Steven: And playful.

Beth: And I think he's thinking very much about the color harmonies here.

Steven: Oh, aren't they gorgeous?

Beth: Yeah, the greens and the greys and the browns.

Steven: Against the warm browns of her coat and ribbon.

Beth: Yeah and it suggests this way that grown ups have made her and their environment into this pretty thing, that she's a decorative part of somehow-

Steven: Except that-

Steven: They betray a kind of intensity and a kind of intelligence and a kind of curiosity, a kind of knowledge as you said, that transcends all of the prettiness.

Beth: Yeah and there she is, that solid triangle in the middle of all of those squares and rectangles.

Steven: But looking directly at us-

Steven: Absolutely directly out at us and holding us. Fabulous.

Beth: Look at the bows on her shoes, they match the bow on her jacket and the bow on her hat.

She has these eyes that are so penetrating.

Steven: And then there's that intense sort of abstraction in the glass above her, you know?

Beth: The reflection.

Steven: It's really just gorgeous. (piano playing)

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(piano playing) Beth: We're at the unbelievably beautiful Getty Center looking at a portrait by Fernand Khnopff of Jeanne KĂŠfer, she's a little girl.발음듣기

Khnopff painted this in 1885.발음듣기

Steven: But he was Belgian.발음듣기

Beth: He was Belgian, he was considered a member of the Symbolist Movement so he's interested as an artist in depicting subjective, dreamy, personal states of mind.발음듣기

Steven: And this is very personal, very much about a state of mind but I'm not sure that I would call it dreamy in the tradition of symbolist manner.발음듣기

It's sort of straight forward at least in its representation but there's also a very subtle kind of intensity to it which is also a little transcendent in the symbolist sense.발음듣기

What I mean by that is we have this very sort of ordered structured environment.발음듣기

The architecture and the near right angles which are all a little off kilter, which I think is interesting because it suggests that we're coming at this from a very human perspective but then we have a little girl.발음듣기

She's so small in that space.발음듣기

Beth: Yeah and I think that the geometry that she's surrounded by of rectangles and squares and really, that's pretty much it.발음듣기

Rectangles and squares.발음듣기

There's one oval, the keyhole up there, that's the shape of her face.발음듣기

But yeah I think it suggests a kind of structure and order and the mind of a little girl who tries to make sense of the big world with its structures.발음듣기

Steven: I think that's true but then there's this interesting,발음듣기

Beth: To her.발음듣기

Steven: To her which is-발음듣기

Steven: Where she is looking directly at us and holding our gaze.발음듣기

Beth: Yeah and there's a sense of power to her childish view.발음듣기

Steven: There really is.발음듣기

Beth: Of maybe a kind of sense that she understands things about the world that maybe grown ups have forgotten somehow or lost sight of.발음듣기

Steven: So that has a kind of symbolist quality-발음듣기

Beth: Something kind of magical and imaginative and beautiful.발음듣기

Steven: And playful.발음듣기

Beth: And I think he's thinking very much about the color harmonies here.발음듣기

Steven: Oh, aren't they gorgeous?발음듣기

Beth: Yeah, the greens and the greys and the browns.발음듣기

Steven: Against the warm browns of her coat and ribbon.발음듣기

Beth: Yeah and it suggests this way that grown ups have made her and their environment into this pretty thing, that she's a decorative part of somehow-발음듣기

Steven: Except that-발음듣기

Steven: They betray a kind of intensity and a kind of intelligence and a kind of curiosity, a kind of knowledge as you said, that transcends all of the prettiness.발음듣기

Beth: Yeah and there she is, that solid triangle in the middle of all of those squares and rectangles.발음듣기

Steven: But looking directly at us-발음듣기

Steven: Absolutely directly out at us and holding us. Fabulous.발음듣기

Beth: Look at the bows on her shoes, they match the bow on her jacket and the bow on her hat.발음듣기

She has these eyes that are so penetrating.발음듣기

Steven: And then there's that intense sort of abstraction in the glass above her, you know?발음듣기

Beth: The reflection.발음듣기

Steven: It's really just gorgeous. (piano playing)발음듣기

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